Showing posts with label Max Baucus. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Max Baucus. Show all posts

Thursday, February 11, 2010

This However WAS Encouraging

It seems that Harry Reid is tired of letting President Baucus run the show and he's not going to play Charlie Brown to the GOP's Lucy anymore. (or at least not in this instance.


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is rewriting a jobs bill after Democrats complained of too many concessions to Republicans.

Reid announced Thursday that he would cut drastically back on the jobs bill Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) introduced only hours earlier, essentially overruling the powerful chairman.

The Finance Committee estimated that Reid’s proposal would cost approximately $15 billion.

The Baucus bill, which was estimated at $85 billion, included $31 billion in tax extenders that Reid has decided to leave out. A Senate Democratic leadership aide said Reid decided to drop the tax extenders after Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declined to endorse the Baucus package.

“We’re going to move this afternoon to a smaller package than talked about in the press,” Reid said.


Max Baucus, after totally fucking up the health care reform bill, tried to make this jobs bill as Republican as possible. He has shown that he can't be trusted to handle major Democratic legislation. And its good to see that finally Reid has woken up to that fact.

Wednesday, October 7, 2009

The Baucus Bill Gets A Score

The results of the CBO scoring of the Senate Finance Committee health care reform bill are in. The numbers seem to line up with the framework President Obama asked for but as most of us know the devil is in the details. But the good thing is because the numbers look good on paper it is very likely that the bill itself will get voted out of committee. And that means we still have a fighting chance of getting health care done this year and with a public option when the two Senate bills merge and then when that amalgamation merges with the House bill. So this is still a move forward to everyone fighting for real health care reform. Now its time for the rubber to hit the road and for the progressives and liberal leaders in both houses of Congress to stand up and lead on the issue.

Friday, October 2, 2009

Do You Know Who Max Baucus REALLY Works For?

If you haven't heard of the Wyden Amendment for health care reform then I invite you to first go here to read Ezra Klein's take on what happened last night when it was taken off the table.

If you do know or have now read what the amendment, now watch these two videos to see and hear why Max Baucus said he is against it. I have to warn you though, if you have high blood pressure have your pills handy, and if you have expensive items around you I suggest you move away from them lest you accidentally lash out and break them.





That is about as big of a fuck you to Americans as I think I have ever seen anywhere. I am still trying to calm down....

Thursday, October 1, 2009

Super Majority #FAIL

Jon Stewart says what needs to be said about how some of our weak kneed Democrats are acting in the Senate right now.

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Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Chuck Schumer Is Keeping Hope Alive

Senator Schumer went on The Rachel Maddow Show last night to push back on the idea that the public option is dead. He rightly points out that we actually picked up two votes on his amendment from Senators Nelson and Carper that no one thought we would get in committee. I am good with that and I am definitely still hopeful, but I am still pissed about asshole Senators Baucus, Conrad and Lincoln. Thankfully Rachel busted rhetorical caps in their asses prior to Schumer's appearance.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

The Reply I Was Hoping For

Twice today in the Senate Finance committee debate over public option amendments Max Baucus hid behind the threat of a filibuster in order to cast a nay vote. I could understand Jay Rockerfeller and Chuck Schumer being caught flat footed the first time he took that tact. But the second time when Max Baucus said words to the effect of "I can count and we don't have 60 votes with a public option in the bill", this simple reply would have turned the argument on it's head.

"Respectfully Mr Chairman, you don't have 60 votes without it"

Those 9 little words would have probably thrown t he proceedings into an uproar and the lead this evening would have been about how serious most Democrats are about having a robust public option. If Baucus wants to grand stand about filibusters then its time to remind him that there are Democrats who are unwilling to vote for cloture for a bill without a public option. The math is clear, if even one, yes one single solitary Democrat in the Senate says they will not for a bill that doesn't include a public option then the bill will never get an up and down vote and bigger than that, assholes like Baucus and Conrad will HAVE to start taking them seriously along with President Obama and the White House.

So the question remains, is there such a Democrat with enough courage to take a stand and say no public option no yea vote? That's what we need to find out!

Max Baucus Is A Pussy!

Allow me to paraphrase what Max Baucus just said in closing of the Senate Finance Committee hearing on Jay Rockerfeller's public option amendment:

It is my job to get a bill through with 60 votes and because nobody has proved to me that a bill with a public option in it can get 60 votes I must vote against it.


What a sorry assed coward muthafucka. If Rockerfeller's amendment loses by one vote I can promise you that with every little bit of power I wield I am going to put all my efforts into making sure this is Baucus' last term. I don't give a damn if a Republican beats him. If it takes digging up dirt, contributing money, leaving comments on Montana blogs, I don't give a damn. How in the hell can any real leader say its their job to vote against the interests of the American people because they are scared of losing???

Thursday, September 24, 2009

You Maaaaaaaaaaaad

This



Reminded me of this



I am not a Max Baucus fan but the fact that he was laughing at Jon Kyl while calling him out for delaying made my damn day.

Friday, September 18, 2009

Death Of Co Ops

Practically the only person I would ever read at Politico last year (pre Laura Rozen) was Ben Smith. Even if he was sensationalistic from time to time, for the most part he tried to play it down the middle. That is pretty much the only reason that I am willing to link to his post on GOPolitico on health care reform. Well that AND the fact that he makes a powerful point about the CBO scoring of Baucuscare, specifically the effect of his proposed co-ops.

(The proposed co-ops had very little effect on the estimates of total enrollment in the exchanges or federal costs because, as they are described in the specifications, they seem unlikely to establish a significant market presence in many areas of the country or to noticeably affect federal subsidy payments.)


The CBO confirms what liberal co-op critics have charged: That they will neither cover many people nor put downward pressure on costs, the two supposed benefits of the public option.


Looks like Kent Conrad is going to have to go back to United Health Care and ask them to give him another load of bullshit to try to offer as alternative to the public option because when other Democrats get wind of this, the co ops are toast.

Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Jello Jay Comes Out Swinging

If Jay Rockefeller holds his ground against Max Baucus' Senate Finance committee health care bill we might just have to drop "jello" from his nickname:


Senator Jay Rockefeller, speaking Tuesday afternoon on a conference call co-sponsored with the Campaign for America's Future:


I have sat besides Max Baucus for 22 years on the Finance Committee. ... I'm probably one of his best friend among Democrats. But I cannot agree with him on this bill. ... There is no way in present form I will vote for it. Therefore, I will not vote for it unless it changes during the amendment process by vast amounts.


Rockefeller cited four main concerns: The lack of a public insurance option, changes to Medicaid, changes to the State Children's Health Insurance Program, and overall affordability provisions. He did caution that he reserved the right to change judgments once the final bill comes out, although it's unlikely that bill will look much different than what Baucus has already released.

Later in the call, Rockefeller suggested four to six Demorats on the Finance Committee had similar feelings, although he didn't say (and may not know) whether they feel as strongly as he does.


Now to be sure its not clear that Senator Rockefeller will actually vote against the bill in its final form. But if it does his street cred will go up many times over in my book!

Doctors Heart The Public Option


It turns out that three quarters of doctors surveyed actually support a public option. And yet Max Baucus and his merry band of ConservaDems have taken it off the table in the Senate Finance Committee. We simply can not let this stand. Lets change the conversation and turn up the heat on the ConservaDems in the Senate!


Thursday, August 27, 2009

That Makes 2 out of 3

We already had already seen one member of the so called "Gang of Six", Chuck Grassley, admit that he isn't voting for any bill that he negotiates "compromises" into. Now the second of three Republicans in this clusterfuck, Mike Enzi, has come out and admitted that he is just there to obstruct and water down the bill as well.

Mike Enzi, one of three Republicans ostensibly negotiating health care reform as part of the Senate's "Gang of Six," told a Wyoming town hall crowd that he had no plans to compromise with Democrats and was merely trying to extract concessions.

"It's not where I get them to compromise, it's what I get them to leave out," Enzi said Monday, according to the
Billings Gazette.

Enzi found himself under attack at the town hall simply for sitting in the same room as the three Finance Committee Democrats. Republicans in the crowd called for him to exit the talks. He assured conservatives that his presence was delaying health care reform.

"If I hadn't been involved in this process as long as I have and to the depth as I have, you would already have national health care," he said.


Excellent job there Max Baucus.

I don't want to hear another gotdamned word from President Obama or anybody else in his administration about these assholes negotiating in good faith. It is time to say to hell with it, pull the fucking bill back into the full committee where it should have been from the get go, mirror the HELP committee bill and bring the damn thing to the floor for a vote. And as an alternative drop it all and just move to reconcilliation and be done with it. Its over for this namby pamby farce of a bipartisan negotiation. It is time for Democrats to shit or get off the pot. We voted for change dammit not another 4 years of Republican rule.

Its time to make it happen!

Saturday, August 22, 2009

Fear Of A Filibuster

I wish I could embed this video of Senator Max "Captain Inneffective" Baucus talking to the editorial board of the Helena Independent record but even though I can't, I highly recommend you go to the link and watch it. For most of the video Baucus comes off as a pretty good choice to steer health care reform through the Senate, but two issues which are really one issue end up exposing not just his problem but also the problem of Democrats in the Senate being led by Harry Reid.

The two problems that come out in the interview is that for one Max Baucus has decided to bring in three Republicans to negotiate with three Democrats on the Senate Finance committee without paying any attention to the actual party make up of the committee nor the political leanings of the 3 Republicans he invited over. The only Republican out of the 3 that is even remotely reasonable is Olympia Snowe and she is a centrist of the worst kind. She doesn't look for a middle ground of policy, what she looks for is the least controversial course of action. Or at least what is percieved as least controversial. So she is not going to push for good policy if it can at all be painted as controversial. And remember she is the gold standard of this motley crew.

Then you have Senators Chuck Grassley and Mike Enzi who both claim to be staunch conservatives which really translates into being staunchly against Democratic governance. There is pretty much zero chance that either of these guys are going to vote for a final health care reform bill, and yet here they sit in negotiations no doubt watering down the bill while offering little if anything up as a sacrifice in these so called negotiatioins. Not only are the undermining the efforts inside these sham negotiations, they are also undermining them in public too by making several statements which were meant to validate bogus smears and rumors about the health care bills that have already passed and in the case of Chuck Grassley actually gloating about the fact that he helped to insure that no bill came out of the Senate Finance committee before the August break which gave the GOP and their insurance industry cohorts the opportunity to launch these ambush attacks at Democratic townhalls.

The second issue is Baucus' repeated insistence that he is trying to put together a bill that will get 60 votes. This is his response again and again when asked about whether or not he will include a public option in the bill. The clear implication, although he is too chickenshit to say it plainly, is that there is no way to get 60 votes for a public option. Now he gives a pretty lame excuse in my opinion at first when explaining that Senators Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd are ill. I have to believe that if there was a vote for cloture on health care reform and Senator Kennedy's vote was needed that he would find a way to make it there if he wasn't on his death bed. And Robert Byrd, while ill, has been back to work since before the August break. Eventually you hear Baucus admit that there are also 4 or 5 other Democrats who say they are against a public option.

But here is my thing, I can accept that some of our more conservative Democratic members of the Senate may be against a public option and that they want to vote their conscious. What I can not accept, nor can I understand why the Obama administration is willing to accept, is that any of those members would support a Republican filibuster of health care reform. If there was ever an action that a Democratic member of the Senate could do to provoke a harsh backlash from the administration it should be supporting a filibuster on major Democratic legislation. That action should lead to that Democratic Senator becoming a parriah in the party and all financial support should be from that point on shut down. Any parochial interests ie earmarks should be cut from just about every appropriations bill and a suitable primary opponent should be sought post haste.

Voting no on an up and down vote is one thing but voting no to help prevent such an up and down vote on Democratic legislation is just beyond the pale.

Now back to Baucus, these two issues that he raises through out the interview are intertwined and that's where I think it shows he totally screwed the pooch when it came time for him to decide how this bill would be crafted. On the one hand he believes that he is going to need 60 votes for cloture to get the bill through because of course the Republicans are going to filibuster. Well to me that is even more of a reason to let the process play out as it normally would in the full committee. For one, most factions would all get a fair hearing and be able to put their ideas forth about the legislation. For two it would all be out in the open for the world to see exactly how these negotiations are happening. And for three and maybe biggest of all, the leadership would be able to gauge by their demeanor which Republican Senators might be ripe to be picked off for a vote.

If its true that Baucus feels like we need Republican support to over come a filibuster then the only legitimate votes he should have been looking for are those to replace Senator Kennedy's and Senator Byrd's. That means he basically needed to find two votes at the most. So how in the hell did he come up with Grassly and Enzi to try to accomplish that goal? Thats the question I want to ask because the truth is, if the public option dies, much of the credit or blame will and should go to his choice of these right wing buffoons as negotiating partners. In his quest for 60 votes he is negotiating with at least two people who have always been against a public option. And by keeping the negotiations behind closed doors he eliminaed even the slim chance that the negotiations themselves might have attracted support from othe Republicans in Congress. And now the threat of a filibuster compells him to not even give the public option a shot of being in the bill lest the two guys he is negotiating with whom are never going to vote for this bill anyway, won't vote for a bill with a public option.

My head hurts.

But there are several fixes to this situation if you ask me. The first would be to drop this Gang of Six bullshit and just take the bill back to where it belongs in the full Finance committee and push it through from there to the floor of the Senate. The other fix would be for the White House and the DNC to step in and threaten to destroy any Democrat in the Senate who supports a Republican filibuster while also courting the full range of potential Republican allies on health care reform like Senators Susan Collins, or George Voinovich, just in case Kennedy or Byrd can't make the vote. The fourth, and honestly what is most preferrable to me, is for Baucus to tell the Republicans in the Gang of Six to get bent and push a Democratic bill through committee with a strong public option and then dare the GOP to filibuster. Allow them to shut down the Senate and make sure that their actions are on CSPAN.

Now contra public belief if the Republicans want to filibuster a bill they do not have to talk continuously like Jimmy Stewart did in the movie Goes To Washington. However they do have to make several procedural moves hour after hour and day after day to keep a filibuster going. This is an issue that is so important and so decisive that it is the perfect opportunity to actually call the Republican's bluff. Let's see how many of them will continue to support a filibuster with the nation watching. Let's see how many of them are willing to stand between poor people getting health insurane. Let's see how many of them are committed to helping health insurance companies discriminate against people with preexisting conditions. And lets see how much resolve they have as people continue to lose their jobs and thus their health insurance and are waking up to what that really means.

But for that we would need a strong Majority Leader and unfortunately we don't have one. Harry Reid should have shut down Max Baucus from the moment he came up with his Gang of Six approach. He should have threatened to strip his chairmanship if he would not put the negotiations back in the full committee. And biggest of all Harry Reid shoudl have put the fear of God in any Democratic member of the Senate who dared to say they would ever consider supporting a filibuster of a health care reform bill.

Now the good thing is that there is still a little bit of time for wiggle room, but what we need right now is a strong Democratic leader to step forward and kick the caucus members in the ass and get them back on track. That could be President Obama, that could be Harry Reid, or better yet it could be a Senator like Chuck Schumer or Dick Durbin who wants to go for Reid's crown and uses this opportunity as a shot across the bow. I honestly don't care who does it but dammit it needs to be done. We can get a progressive bill with a public option through both house of Congress. All it takes is somebody with balls enough to stand up to the ConservaDems and get them to toe the line on a cloture vote and for someone to step to Max Baucus and tell him that his services are no longer needed.

The truth of the matter is that with a change in the process and a change in tactics I feel good in predicting that in the end we will still peel off a few Republicans. But first we need a bill out of committee to get them on board with in the first place and second of all we need a good bill with a public option so that all of the Democrats can feel good voting for cloture knowing that the bill will deliver on everything President Obama promised.

The question for me now is who, if anyone, will step up to the plate and assume the mantle of Democratic leadership. Its all right out there for somebody. I just hope it happens soon.

Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Co Ops Vs The Public Option

I know a lot of people are going to spend time debating the merits of a co op system that Kent Conrad has proposed versus a public option that Democrats in 4 out of 5 Congressional committees have proposed but I really think its a useless and pointless conversation. I will admit up front that I am not a policy wonk on the level of an Ezra Klein or a Rachel Maddow, not even close. That doesn't mean policy doesn't matter to me, it surely does. And I try to study up on all the issues. But I just have quite aways to go before I learn about every intricate detail of health care reform.

Having said that, my area of interest is usually the politics of any given issue. And its because of the politics of the situation that I feel confident in saying that there won't be an co op in a final version of the bill. Here is why. For a bill to make it to the floor of the Senate first you have to get the Senate Finance bill out of committee. Now we can all assume at this point that the Finance bill will have a co op in it. But what we can't assume is that the Republicans who have been negotiating with Baucus will actually vote for the bill to come out of committee. So what I forsee is that even after all the hand wringing and wrangling, neither Mike Enzi nor Chuck Grassley will vote for the bill to come out of committee.

That's strike one.

At that point I imagine it will still come out of committee on a largely partisan vote maybe picking off one Republican vote. At that point it will come to the floor of the Senate. Now when that happens there will be a process to have amendments added. I expect that there will be a Republican amendment offered to strip the bill of the co ops. I don't think it will pass but I do think it will be close.

That's strike two.

Then when that process is done the bill still has to be voted on by the full Senate. I can't see a scenario where there will be any more than 3 or 4 Republican votes for the bill at that point. And I don't think any of those 3 or 4 votes will come from Enzi or Grassley.

That's strike three.

At that point Republicans will have shown no less than three times that they are not going to support the bill no matter what concessions are made. And its at that point that Democratic Senate leadership would have to go into conference talks with House Democratic leadership to come up with a final bill. They will have no leverage at all to try to replace a public option with a co op when the Republicans will have revealed themselves. And bigger than that it won't be Max Baucus and Kent Conrad in the room doing the negotiating. I also believe that President Obama will have weighed in at that point that he will not accept a bill without a public option.

So to sum it all up, even if the Finance committee comes out with a bill that includes a co op instead of a public option, Republicans will not support it, and in light of that it will be dead on arrival when its time to reconcile the House and Senate bills.

Now I realize in the meantime there will be a lot of moaning and groaning over this issue but its not really even worth the waste of time and energy. We should definitely be pushing our Senators to support a public option and for our progressives and liberals in the House not to cave on the issue. But its clear to me that co ops just aren't politically viable. You can book mark this post and come back and point and laugh at me if I am ultimately proves wrong, but I really don't think I will be.

Update: Ezra Klein makes a pretty similar point about the process but with a lot more literary skill than I could muster. Go check it out.

Monday, August 17, 2009

If This Isn't The Final Straw I Don't Know What Is

Check out Republican Senator Chuck Grassley on MSNBC earlier today. Specifically go to he 7:10 mark and pay close attention to what he says.



That's right ladies and gentlemen, Grassly, who has a seat at the table thanks ot Captain Incompetent, Max Baucus, is now saying that even if he gets what he is looking for in a health care reform bill, he will STILL vote against the bill unless more than a handful of Republicans vote for it. Mind you we already know that the Republicans have long said that not only will they not vote for health care form, but also that they wouldn't even particicpate in the process of formulating a bill at all.

So there you have it from the horses' mouth. The top Republican negotiator for health care reform in the Senate Finance committee is telling everyone that no matter how much he is appeased he will not vote for the bill.

If there was ever a time to ram something down the Republicans' throats its now. To hell with the lot of them. Make the health care reform bill as liberal as possible and then get it signed sealed and delivered to the American people. Any thing else is going to be counterproductive.

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

President Obama Draws A Line In The Sand (sorta)



Well looky looky. It appears that President Obama is sending a pretty clear message that the Senate Finance committee better get to work because bipartisanship might die in September. I LOVE this. I hope he sticks to his guns too when the time comes. Obama has to show that he isnt' bluffing when he makes these kinds of pronouncements.

Tuesday, August 4, 2009

Whose Your Daddy?

Check out Republican Senator John Kyl trying to punk Democratic Senator and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus:


The September 15th deadline for a bipartisan healthcare bill isn't likely to be honored, Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) predicted Tuesday.

Kyl attempted to call a bluff by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who said last week that if he hadn't reached a consensus with Republicans by mid-September, he would force a bill through without Republican support.

"He's set several other deadlines too, and he hasn't been able to meet them," Kyl said. "And I worry a little bit that by setting that deadline he could be setting himself up for not the best situation — let's put it that way."

Kyl hinted that Republicans would make life politically tough for Democrats if they force through a healthcare bill on a party line vote.


Now the question is will Baucus end up being the GOP's bitch this fall? I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Monday, August 3, 2009

Bought And Paid For

Keith Olbermann's special comment on those members of Congress who are representing the health insurance companies rather than their constituents.

Thursday, July 30, 2009

Jello Jay Bashes Baucus Over Co-Ops

I gotta give it to Senator Jay Rockefeller, he brought the noise today on the Ed Show over Max Baucus' ill advised plan to replace a public option with co-ops in the Senate Finance committee health care reform bill.