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Showing posts with label terrorists. Show all posts
Showing posts with label terrorists. Show all posts
Thursday, March 25, 2010
Friday, November 13, 2009
Finally, Justice
Eight years later Khalid Sheik Muhammed and various other terrorist will now be brought to justice.
Contra Steve Benen who I have a great amount of respect for, this all makes perfect sense to me. Right wingers only talk about the values this country was founded on in abstract terms but they don't really believe in them. They believe that THEY are the only arbiters of the right way to do things and how justice should be carried out in this country. Its why they try every way possible to undermine existing laws without going through the normal channels to change them. Its why they can promote stuff like torture just to make themselves feel tough. Its why they are so against any bill that ensures equal rights for everyone. For the right its all about their own ego and in this case because they are scared of their own shadow they think everyone else should be too.
And its really that simple. For them they don't care what the law says. Instead they would rather just lock these guys away and throw away the key without even so much as a hint of a trial. They don't trust their fellow citizens to be able to bring back a guilty verdict and therefore they don't think they should have to rely on them. Its really funny to watch them constantly invoke the founding fathers when it suits them when the truth is they either have no idea and or have no respect for what this country was really founded on.
It is what it is.
Update: Utterly predictable...
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, and four other men accused in the plot will be prosecuted in federal court in New York City, a federal law enforcement official said early on Friday.
But the administration will prosecute Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri -- the detainee accused of planning the 2000 bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen -- and several other detainees before a military commission, the official said.
The decisions to give civilian prosecutors detainees accused of the 2001 terrorist attacks and keep the case of the Cole attack within the military system are expected to be announced at the Department of Justice later on Friday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.
We've been through all the arguments before, but I guarantee we're about to have the same tiresome debate all over again. We'll hear that a U.S. criminal court couldn't possibly be equipped to hear a case against a terrorist suspect -- except for all the U.S. criminal courts that have already proven that they're well equipped to hear cases against terrorist suspects. We'll hear that KSM, if convicted, will end up in an American supermax facility that's ill prepared to house terrorists -- except for all the terrorists that already safely locked away in American supermax facilities.
I've simply never understood the right's weak-kneed panic over the U.S. justice system.
Contra Steve Benen who I have a great amount of respect for, this all makes perfect sense to me. Right wingers only talk about the values this country was founded on in abstract terms but they don't really believe in them. They believe that THEY are the only arbiters of the right way to do things and how justice should be carried out in this country. Its why they try every way possible to undermine existing laws without going through the normal channels to change them. Its why they can promote stuff like torture just to make themselves feel tough. Its why they are so against any bill that ensures equal rights for everyone. For the right its all about their own ego and in this case because they are scared of their own shadow they think everyone else should be too.
And its really that simple. For them they don't care what the law says. Instead they would rather just lock these guys away and throw away the key without even so much as a hint of a trial. They don't trust their fellow citizens to be able to bring back a guilty verdict and therefore they don't think they should have to rely on them. Its really funny to watch them constantly invoke the founding fathers when it suits them when the truth is they either have no idea and or have no respect for what this country was really founded on.
It is what it is.
Update: Utterly predictable...
Thursday, May 21, 2009
GITMO And Transparency
Today President Obama delivered a speech on National Security. Here is the video.
Here are what I thought were the high points of the speech.
First President Obama led of the speech by going through all of the measures he has initiated since assuming office that helps our national security including redirecting resources to the conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan, investing in 21st century technology to help with intelligence, working on nuclear non proliferation that will attempt to track down all "loose nukes" within the next four years, protecting the border, renewing alliances in the war on terror and renewed diplomacy. He said our fundamental values are what help keep us safe and that the founding documents of our country are what we need to cling to in our search for liberty and justice. He made the point that we can't turn our back on those values just for expediency sake.
He made the point that in the past WE were the ones who shut down torture chambers from all over the world.
He made the point that post 9-11 we had to come up with new tools in order to prevent attacks along with prosecuting them after they had been committed or attempted.
He said in the past (see during the Bush Administration) we made national security decisions out of fear rather than facts for expediency's sake.
"We went off course"
Obama made the point that both he and Senator John McCain called for the closing of GITMO and the voters in both parties made them their general election candidates which indicates they agree.
The President before he came into office we were working with an ad hoc legal approach to fight terrorism which was neither effective nor sustainable.
I liked that President Obama used the phrasing "so called" in reference to EITs which most of us know is just a euphemism for torture.
President Obama said HE is the one who sees all of the intelligence and he categorically rejects the notion that waterboarding was or is the most effective method of gaining information and that it undermines the rule of law, is a recruitment tool for terrorists, increases the will of our enemies who will no longer surrender because they believe we will torture them, puts our troops' lives in danger, and did not advance our war on terror.
He made note of the fact that Senator McCain has also spoken out about the propaganda value of torture for terrorists trying to recruit more people into their ranks.
Obama shifted to closing GITMO. He talked about the fact that the Military Commisions have only convicted 3 detainees in 7 years.
The President pointed out that in 2006 the Supreme Court invalidated the Military Court system.
He points out that the whole premise of opening GITMO was to put detainees somewhere that the Bush Administration felt they could hold them beyond the law and that the Supreme court rejected that notion.
He says GITMO itself helped to weaken our National Security.
President Obama asserts that the costs of keeping GITMO open far exceed any complications from closing it.
Obama also pointed out that he was cleaning up a mess that he hadn't created.
He says the problems that exists aren't from GITMO closing, they are from GITMO opening in the first place.
He refuses to pass this problem off to the next President.
He calls out those who have politicized the issue of closing GITMO with fear mongering. He said that those who would do this are using their words to scare people rather than solve the problem.
Unequivical statement that he will not release anyone who threatens national security and or the American people.
He points out that some detainees will end up in SuperMax prisons where nobody has ever escaped in the history of this country.
He references a statement from Senator Lindsey Graham where he said the notion that we couldn't handle these detainees in American jails is ridiculous.
President Obama put detainees into 5 categories.
President Obama acknowledges the political difficulties of closing GITMO. He references fear mongering 30 second Tee Vee ads and direct mailings. But he says we can't govern out of fear and the American people want him to get it right, not political posturing.
Then President Obama shifted to Security and Transparency. He contrasted his decision to release the 4 OLC memos recently with his decision to block the release of the torture photos. Makes the case that sometimes its appropriate to keep some things secret if members of the military's lives are at stake.
But he says that he will insist on oversight from both the Congress and Judicial branches of government. He says someone must always watch over the watchers.
He is concerned about overuse of the states secrets doctrine but has to be used at times.
He says he will not hold back information from the public just because it reveals an illegal act or something that is embarrassing.
He wants a stricter legal test for invoking states secrets.
Obama once again says he will focus on bringing more oversight from "co equal" branches of government.
He then talks about how some people still want to relitigate debates they have lost. IE Dick Cheney still advocating torture.
He is more interested in the Congress and DOJ investigating wrong doing from the Bush Administration than an independent commission.
President Obama talks about the two differing sides on torture on the extremes. On the left those who think we should reveal even our most important intelligence secrets. On the right there are those who, in President Obama's words, think "anything goes". Those who think the President can do whatever they want provided its a President they agree with. He says both sides in that debate are wrong.
Maybe the strongest part of the speech was the ending where President Obama said national security has to be an issue that brings us together not something that divides us. He talks about how some people (*cough*Republicans*cough) try to use national security as a wedge issue. But this is a time for the American people to come together to insure all of our safety.
I thought the speech while not necessarily strong on details of how he will ultimately deal with GITMO was pitch perfect for the American people and what a lot of people in the middle needed to hear from them. We simply can not allow fearmongering to take hold again in this country when we are talking about the serious task of keeping us all safe.
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Here are what I thought were the high points of the speech.
First President Obama led of the speech by going through all of the measures he has initiated since assuming office that helps our national security including redirecting resources to the conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan, investing in 21st century technology to help with intelligence, working on nuclear non proliferation that will attempt to track down all "loose nukes" within the next four years, protecting the border, renewing alliances in the war on terror and renewed diplomacy. He said our fundamental values are what help keep us safe and that the founding documents of our country are what we need to cling to in our search for liberty and justice. He made the point that we can't turn our back on those values just for expediency sake.
He made the point that in the past WE were the ones who shut down torture chambers from all over the world.
He made the point that post 9-11 we had to come up with new tools in order to prevent attacks along with prosecuting them after they had been committed or attempted.
He said in the past (see during the Bush Administration) we made national security decisions out of fear rather than facts for expediency's sake.
"We went off course"
Obama made the point that both he and Senator John McCain called for the closing of GITMO and the voters in both parties made them their general election candidates which indicates they agree.
The President before he came into office we were working with an ad hoc legal approach to fight terrorism which was neither effective nor sustainable.
I liked that President Obama used the phrasing "so called" in reference to EITs which most of us know is just a euphemism for torture.
President Obama said HE is the one who sees all of the intelligence and he categorically rejects the notion that waterboarding was or is the most effective method of gaining information and that it undermines the rule of law, is a recruitment tool for terrorists, increases the will of our enemies who will no longer surrender because they believe we will torture them, puts our troops' lives in danger, and did not advance our war on terror.
He made note of the fact that Senator McCain has also spoken out about the propaganda value of torture for terrorists trying to recruit more people into their ranks.
Obama shifted to closing GITMO. He talked about the fact that the Military Commisions have only convicted 3 detainees in 7 years.
The President pointed out that in 2006 the Supreme Court invalidated the Military Court system.
He points out that the whole premise of opening GITMO was to put detainees somewhere that the Bush Administration felt they could hold them beyond the law and that the Supreme court rejected that notion.
He says GITMO itself helped to weaken our National Security.
President Obama asserts that the costs of keeping GITMO open far exceed any complications from closing it.
Obama also pointed out that he was cleaning up a mess that he hadn't created.
He says the problems that exists aren't from GITMO closing, they are from GITMO opening in the first place.
He refuses to pass this problem off to the next President.
He calls out those who have politicized the issue of closing GITMO with fear mongering. He said that those who would do this are using their words to scare people rather than solve the problem.
Unequivical statement that he will not release anyone who threatens national security and or the American people.
He points out that some detainees will end up in SuperMax prisons where nobody has ever escaped in the history of this country.
He references a statement from Senator Lindsey Graham where he said the notion that we couldn't handle these detainees in American jails is ridiculous.
President Obama put detainees into 5 categories.
1. Those that will be tried in federal courts. Points out we have tried many terrorists in federal courts for a long time.
2. Those who have violated the laws of war will be tried into the military commisions courts which have been a tradition in this country. He points out that this is not a reversal of his position and that in 2006 he wanted reform of the military commission that did not happen but he didn't reject the institution outright. He further stated that he will put in the reforms now that he called for then to make them compliant.
3. Those who have been ordered released by the courts of which there are 21 people who fall into that category now. 19 of those 21 were ordered released before he got into office. Because we are a nation of laws he has to respect the courts' decisions.
4. Those who can be tranferred to another country. Fifty people so far fit into that category.
5. Those who can't be prosecuted but also can't be released because they are dangerous. He says he will exhaust all legal avenues to insure they never get out.
President Obama acknowledges the political difficulties of closing GITMO. He references fear mongering 30 second Tee Vee ads and direct mailings. But he says we can't govern out of fear and the American people want him to get it right, not political posturing.
Then President Obama shifted to Security and Transparency. He contrasted his decision to release the 4 OLC memos recently with his decision to block the release of the torture photos. Makes the case that sometimes its appropriate to keep some things secret if members of the military's lives are at stake.
But he says that he will insist on oversight from both the Congress and Judicial branches of government. He says someone must always watch over the watchers.
He is concerned about overuse of the states secrets doctrine but has to be used at times.
He says he will not hold back information from the public just because it reveals an illegal act or something that is embarrassing.
He wants a stricter legal test for invoking states secrets.
Obama once again says he will focus on bringing more oversight from "co equal" branches of government.
He then talks about how some people still want to relitigate debates they have lost. IE Dick Cheney still advocating torture.
He is more interested in the Congress and DOJ investigating wrong doing from the Bush Administration than an independent commission.
President Obama talks about the two differing sides on torture on the extremes. On the left those who think we should reveal even our most important intelligence secrets. On the right there are those who, in President Obama's words, think "anything goes". Those who think the President can do whatever they want provided its a President they agree with. He says both sides in that debate are wrong.
Maybe the strongest part of the speech was the ending where President Obama said national security has to be an issue that brings us together not something that divides us. He talks about how some people (*cough*Republicans*cough) try to use national security as a wedge issue. But this is a time for the American people to come together to insure all of our safety.
I thought the speech while not necessarily strong on details of how he will ultimately deal with GITMO was pitch perfect for the American people and what a lot of people in the middle needed to hear from them. We simply can not allow fearmongering to take hold again in this country when we are talking about the serious task of keeping us all safe.
Tuesday, January 27, 2009
Terrorsts On Trial In The US, Oh Noez
Stop the presses, shine the bat signal, somebody call John Boehner, get the Fox and Friends brigade ready, we are putting terrorists on trial in Miami......For the third time.
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